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Where do County go from here?
#1
Started to waffle on the Hearts thread and realised it’s a topic of its own.

Now that we have come so far and are where we are I am looking forward with great excitement. IMO the next 10 games are crucial and the Staggies that go each week have a huge part to play.

The financial constraints every team is now facing have created opportunities like never before, St Jonstone have made to grasp the opportunity. Could or should County do the same and to what extent? I would not be happy if the club over extended itself to achieve but I feel that if we achieve well this season what follows over the next few years could be pure gold.

I must say how proud I am of what we have and are achieving, a Hampden final was beyond my wildest dreams never mind SPL and in case it comes over the wrong way I must say in no way am I moaning just wondering what could be and how or should we try to get there, as DA said we come from a wee village up in Dingwall

Results in the next 10 games could decide what do County do in the future long term. Are we happy to accept this and maybe next season as our pinnacle and bask in it then fade away with our memories to tell our grand kids we were once SPL & went to Parkhead, Tynecastle and Pitodrie as equals or could we improve and do something truly amazing?

As I see it this season County are at a tipping point now. From what I've seen & read I believe that we are easily good enough to compete and achieve an 8th to 10th finish. To punch above our weight IMO would mean finishing somewhere between 4th to 7th this season though forth and maybe fifth might be me being a wee bit optimistic.

But I worry that if we don't achieve enough this first season established teams will come in take DA and cherry pick our players then County will slip back into the lower leagues.
If we do achieve a top 6 we can keep DA & the core of this team together, hopefully add 2 or 3 talented and developing youngsters and a couple more key players. Youth together with the spine of this team could lay down a foundation for the future but IMO it all rests on what happens in the next few months.
Glass half full my friends. Mon County onwards and upwards.
 
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#2
I don't think results in our next 10 games will decide our long term future at all, I'm kind of bemused by that comment to be honest. Unless we go and lose them all!!

Very little will happen in the next few months to shape our long term future, again, I'm at a loss to understand how someone could think that.

I'd be surprised, even allowing for our now strong position over Dundee, if we start contract negotiations before December, when our squad can start talking to other clubs under Bosman rules.

I think we'll continue exactly as we are, hopefully freshen the squad a little in January, maybe 2 or 3 out, and the same number in.

We're in a financial climate where other clubs in Scotland don't have a lot of money either, so in times gone by, where the likes of Vigurs would have been plucked away by Hearts or Aberdeen, that's isn't as likely these days.

They can pay more wages, but it's not massive amounts. Midge is from Dundee, Gary Miller also wanted to be closer to home, so while they will be getting paid better, I don't think money was a sole reason for them leaving.

Nobody will like the next comment, but Inverness Caley are very much the benchmark for us.

Replicating their success is where we will hopefully go from here, the way our club is run, I see no reason why we can't go on to do that.

Managers and players come and go, but Roy MacGregor and our fan base will not any time soon. Youth development is important, and being in the SPL gives our youngsters a league to play in against their counterparts.

In football in this day in age, in a lot of aspects you just are unable to plan too far ahead due to financial uncertainty, but we are managed exceptionally well.

I honestly believe if we carry on exactly as we are, we can stay in the SPL - and realistically, for clubs like us and Caley, 6th place would be an incredible achievement, and that is achievable.

SPL football is here to stay in Dingwall.
 
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#3
I think that the point about the next 10 games being crucial is that if we can put enough distance between ourselves and Dundee so as to make another season in the SPL pretty much a certainty, then the board might feel able to start tying players up for next season, prior to the Jan window opening or players being lured away on a pre-contract offer.

Similarly they might feel able to sanction more activity in the Jan transfer window, although that should involve players going if some come in, or the squad will become too big to keep them all happy.

Above all, we don't want to jeopardise our long-term financial future.
 
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#4
I've always felt we'd be fine this season. It's next season that's the worry as everyone is out of contract. I'd like to think most would stay who we want to keep but if we finish any higher than 9th or 10th I'd imagine quite a few bigger clubs would he after most players.
 
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#5
Where do County go from here? I would have thought it blatantly obvious. The Champions League of course Big Grin
 
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(10-29-2012, 12:45 PM)Billy7Ferries Wrote: I don't think results in our next 10 games will decide our long term future at all, I'm kind of bemused by that comment to be honest. Unless we go and lose them all!!

Very little will happen in the next few months to shape our long term future, again, I'm at a loss to understand how someone could think that.

I'd be surprised, even allowing for our now strong position over Dundee, if we start contract negotiations before December, when our squad can start talking to other clubs under Bosman rules.

I think we'll continue exactly as we are, hopefully freshen the squad a little in January, maybe 2 or 3 out, and the same number in.

We're in a financial climate where other clubs in Scotland don't have a lot of money either, so in times gone by, where the likes of Vigurs would have been plucked away by Hearts or Aberdeen, that's isn't as likely these days.

They can pay more wages, but it's not massive amounts. Midge is from Dundee, Gary Miller also wanted to be closer to home, so while they will be getting paid better, I don't think money was a sole reason for them leaving.

Nobody will like the next comment, but Inverness Caley are very much the benchmark for us.

Replicating their success is where we will hopefully go from here, the way our club is run, I see no reason why we can't go on to do that.

Managers and players come and go, but Roy MacGregor and our fan base will not any time soon. Youth development is important, and being in the SPL gives our youngsters a league to play in against their counterparts.

In football in this day in age, in a lot of aspects you just are unable to plan too far ahead due to financial uncertainty, but we are managed exceptionally well.

I honestly believe if we carry on exactly as we are, we can stay in the SPL - and realistically, for clubs like us and Caley, 6th place would be an incredible achievement, and that is achievable.

SPL football is here to stay in Dingwall.

Why bemused or is that complacent? January window and Bosman rules are just round the corner. Yes last season players moved for personal reasons (St Jonstone in the Europa league might have been an additional attraction) rather than money being offered but last year we were Div1.

This season the players are proving themselves at a higher level, this I'm sure will bring interest from teams in England as well as SPL. The goals that Britain Vigurs and Ketts have scored and the performances of Fraser and Boyd will have been noticed. The sooner we are in a position to tie in players the better. Also if we are looking like remaining a bottom half side certain players may feel that they have achieved all they can with County and would be easier to persuade to go to say to Aberdeen (no relocation) or Hibs for more money and the chance of European football, I also doubt DA would settle for more than a couple of sesons.

Take Vigurs – there’s not so many creative attacking left sided midfielders around, Or Boyd – at his age he will improve and SPL, English Div1 or Championship teams may feel he is worth a gamble. Or Brittain – there can’t be many midfield general, dead ball specialists around for the kind of money we currently pay. From the point of view of many teams the money we pay will make them a good and cheap option, we can't compete at that level but we could offer something Burnley, Birminham or Sheffield Wed can't European football (or the possibility) and a quality of life.

We must not do a Gretna or Hearts but we must be aggressive and positive.
 
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#7
(10-29-2012, 03:44 PM)dorsetstaggie Wrote: Why bemused or is that complacent? January window and Bosman rules are just round the corner

And we'll build for the final third of the season, with maybe a wee eye on next season.

I'm not sure even the league champions and financially powerful compared to us, Celtic, would be looking at the next transfer window and thinking it's going shape their long term future.

As I say, in terms of squad management outwith youth development, there can't be long term planning and I don't see that changing anytime soon, regardless of how our results go in the next 10, 20, 30 games.

I suppose, real progress for us, would be, being in a position to offer 2 year deals, but given the outlay for the stadium and other financial uncertainties, I'm not sure we'll see that this season or next.

I'd love to see Brittain, Kettlewell, Boyd and Vigurs given improved deals now, but taking into account our ground redevelopment, Scottish football reconstruction speculation and the repercussions from the fallout of from Rangers in the summer, I think we'll continue to play it year to year.

I'd love to be proved wrong, but then on the other hand, I'd hate us to start living beyond our means and fall flat on our faces too.
 
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#8
I'm just loving supporting County right now Big Grin

 
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#9
Brick 
(10-29-2012, 05:18 PM)IDW16 Wrote: I'm just loving supporting County right now Big Grin

Me too.
In my opinion:
(These are not a sequence, they need to overlap and all be attended to together) -
First priority is remaining in the SPL this season and next.
Second priority - assuming we can afford the first - is to reduce the debt.
Third priority is to ensure sustainability through good development of young players (and coaches?) and shrewd affordable additions to the staff.
Fourthly keep up the good pies.
Malky Mackay - he's our new manager
 
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(10-29-2012, 08:19 PM)Les Westander Wrote:
(10-29-2012, 05:18 PM)IDW16 Wrote: I'm just loving supporting County right now Big Grin

Me too.
In my opinion:
(These are not a sequence, they need to overlap and all be attended to together) -
First priority is remaining in the SPL this season and next.
Second priority - assuming we can afford the first - is to reduce the debt.
Third priority is to ensure sustainability through good development of young players (and coaches?) and shrewd affordable additions to the staff.
Fourthly keep up the good pies.

I think there is a sequence forming above. Steven Seagal or his brother from HighNet came in sorted out the Dingwall Pie Crisis of 2009, had a tasting session, the best pies were specially selected, and from then on we have never looked back.

Moral of the story, get the pies right, then everything else will fall into place.
"the beach balls are burst" Derek Adams 19/05/13
 
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#11
(10-29-2012, 03:44 PM)dorsetstaggie Wrote:
(10-29-2012, 12:45 PM)Billy7Ferries Wrote: I don't think results in our next 10 games will decide our long term future at all, I'm kind of bemused by that comment to be honest. Unless we go and lose them all!!

Very little will happen in the next few months to shape our long term future, again, I'm at a loss to understand how someone could think that.

I'd be surprised, even allowing for our now strong position over Dundee, if we start contract negotiations before December, when our squad can start talking to other clubs under Bosman rules.

I think we'll continue exactly as we are, hopefully freshen the squad a little in January, maybe 2 or 3 out, and the same number in.

We're in a financial climate where other clubs in Scotland don't have a lot of money either, so in times gone by, where the likes of Vigurs would have been plucked away by Hearts or Aberdeen, that's isn't as likely these days.

They can pay more wages, but it's not massive amounts. Midge is from Dundee, Gary Miller also wanted to be closer to home, so while they will be getting paid better, I don't think money was a sole reason for them leaving.

Nobody will like the next comment, but Inverness Caley are very much the benchmark for us.

Replicating their success is where we will hopefully go from here, the way our club is run, I see no reason why we can't go on to do that.

Managers and players come and go, but Roy MacGregor and our fan base will not any time soon. Youth development is important, and being in the SPL gives our youngsters a league to play in against their counterparts.

In football in this day in age, in a lot of aspects you just are unable to plan too far ahead due to financial uncertainty, but we are managed exceptionally well.

I honestly believe if we carry on exactly as we are, we can stay in the SPL - and realistically, for clubs like us and Caley, 6th place would be an incredible achievement, and that is achievable.

SPL football is here to stay in Dingwall.

Why bemused or is that complacent? January window and Bosman rules are just round the corner. Yes last season players moved for personal reasons (St Jonstone in the Europa league might have been an additional attraction) rather than money being offered but last year we were Div1.

This season the players are proving themselves at a higher level, this I'm sure will bring interest from teams in England as well as SPL. The goals that Britain Vigurs and Ketts have scored and the performances of Fraser and Boyd will have been noticed. The sooner we are in a position to tie in players the better. Also if we are looking like remaining a bottom half side certain players may feel that they have achieved all they can with County and would be easier to persuade to go to say to Aberdeen (no relocation) or Hibs for more money and the chance of European football, I also doubt DA would settle for more than a couple of sesons.

Takec – there’s not so many creative attacking left sided midfielders around, Or Boyd – at his age he will improve and SPL, English Div1 or Championship teams may feel he is worth a gamble. Or Brittain – there can’t be many midfield general, dead ball specialists around for the kind of money we currently pay. From the point of view of many teams the money we pay will make them a good and cheap option, we can't compete at that level but we could offer something Burnley, Birminham or Sheffield Wed can't European football (or the possibility) and a quality of life.

We must not do a Gretna or Hearts but we must be aggressive and positive.
I know what you are saying but if you think of players that we have like Boyd,Kettlewell,Vigurs,Lawson,Brittan and players like them that we have at county can you see them been in the starting XI champiship and league 1 ?
 
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#12
(10-30-2012, 04:16 PM)Strathpefferstaggie Wrote:
(10-29-2012, 03:44 PM)dorsetstaggie Wrote:
(10-29-2012, 12:45 PM)Billy7Ferries Wrote: I don't think results in our next 10 games will decide our long term future at all, I'm kind of bemused by that comment to be honest. Unless we go and lose them all!!

Very little will happen in the next few months to shape our long term future, again, I'm at a loss to understand how someone could think that.

I'd be surprised, even allowing for our now strong position over Dundee, if we start contract negotiations before December, when our squad can start talking to other clubs under Bosman rules.

I think we'll continue exactly as we are, hopefully freshen the squad a little in January, maybe 2 or 3 out, and the same number in.

We're in a financial climate where other clubs in Scotland don't have a lot of money either, so in times gone by, where the likes of Vigurs would have been plucked away by Hearts or Aberdeen, that's isn't as likely these days.

They can pay more wages, but it's not massive amounts. Midge is from Dundee, Gary Miller also wanted to be closer to home, so while they will be getting paid better, I don't think money was a sole reason for them leaving.

Nobody will like the next comment, but Inverness Caley are very much the benchmark for us.

Replicating their success is where we will hopefully go from here, the way our club is run, I see no reason why we can't go on to do that.

Managers and players come and go, but Roy MacGregor and our fan base will not any time soon. Youth development is important, and being in the SPL gives our youngsters a league to play in against their counterparts.

In football in this day in age, in a lot of aspects you just are unable to plan too far ahead due to financial uncertainty, but we are managed exceptionally well.

I honestly believe if we carry on exactly as we are, we can stay in the SPL - and realistically, for clubs like us and Caley, 6th place would be an incredible achievement, and that is achievable.

SPL football is here to stay in Dingwall.

Why bemused or is that complacent? January window and Bosman rules are just round the corner. Yes last season players moved for personal reasons (St Jonstone in the Europa league might have been an additional attraction) rather than money being offered but last year we were Div1.

This season the players are proving themselves at a higher level, this I'm sure will bring interest from teams in England as well as SPL. The goals that Britain Vigurs and Ketts have scored and the performances of Fraser and Boyd will have been noticed. The sooner we are in a position to tie in players the better. Also if we are looking like remaining a bottom half side certain players may feel that they have achieved all they can with County and would be easier to persuade to go to say to Aberdeen (no relocation) or Hibs for more money and the chance of European football, I also doubt DA would settle for more than a couple of sesons.

Takec – there’s not so many creative attacking left sided midfielders around, Or Boyd – at his age he will improve and SPL, English Div1 or Championship teams may feel he is worth a gamble. Or Brittain – there can’t be many midfield general, dead ball specialists around for the kind of money we currently pay. From the point of view of many teams the money we pay will make them a good and cheap option, we can't compete at that level but we could offer something Burnley, Birminham or Sheffield Wed can't European football (or the possibility) and a quality of life.

We must not do a Gretna or Hearts but we must be aggressive and positive.
I know what you are saying but if you think of players that we have like Boyd,Kettlewell,Vigurs,Lawson,Brittan and players like them that we have at county can you see them been in the starting XI champiship and league 1 ?
E-Div1 yes I without a doubt, Championship a couple of them probably. My concern is that they are in the shop window playing at a higher level against better opposition now. Scouts that come to games against clubs in the central belt are much more likely to notice them.
As has been pointed out clubs north and south are watching their budgets and our players are available on a free, combine that with realistic wages and they could present cost effective alternatives for clubs looking to reduce costs.

My overall point is that the sooner we can deem ourselves solid in the SPL the sooner we could offer more long term contracts and the higher we finish the more likely we are to keep the more ambitious players. The more of these player we can keep into next season the better chance we have to consoladate ourselves in the SPL. So i believe the next 10 games could be crucial.
Lovin what is happening now but have an eye on the future.
 
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